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Re: Usapang Programming Languages (Software Development)

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:37 pm
by boynevs
^ Can't really recommed kasi pareho naman sila okay. Here are some pros and cons I can think of for C# (Kasi c# gamit ko)
Pros:
* Ease of use - Madali magcode dahil sa Visual Studio. By madali I mean madali magedit, magalign, intellisense etc...
* Support - MSDN documentation and other sites are readily available.
* Applicable to new MS technology - Nauuso ngayon sa bagong version ng .NET is WPF and silverlight. Applicable parin yung C# sa mga to kasi sya yung code behind.

Cons:
* License is expensive: Di masyado affected programmer dito except the fact that most companies that use Visual Studio license are already stablished kasi may kamahalan ang VS.
* Technology efficiency is tied up to other MS products: Supported naman nila yung ibang non-ms products (MySQL, Oracle, etc...) kaya lang yung mga recommended ay MS din (MS SQL, IIS, silver light).
* OS dependency - Almost forgot this one. Pero as far as I know, medyo complicated pa if not impossible to run .NET code sa Linux or Mac. So most of the time your OS will be Windows when developing C# (Another tie-up)

Hope it helps!

Re: Usapang Programming Languages (Software Development)

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:28 pm
by oliverb
Sarap naman nun sir.
share lang pafs.
In letran we have specialization. at kasama nga dun yung system engineering.
pero software development kukunin ko e. sa programming kasi mataas grade ko. :evilsmile:
may database administration pa nga pala. ayaw ko naman ng database lang. boring. :ashamed:
ok din DBA. from DBA pwede ka maging data architect. jan madaming pera kasi karamihan ng mga transactions e data related.
^^ Yup yun nga yun :agree: and many more like use case, sequence diagram etc...

SIla kasi yung foundation mo in building a good solution. Without those, its like building a house without a blueprint.

Kapag entry level programmer ka palang, hindi mo pa masyado maapreciate sya kasi most of the time, you'll be coding other people's design. Pero kapag nabigyan ka ng chance mag go through an end-to-end software lifecycle, those would be skills you'll need the most.
sa lahat mga na technical interview ko kokonti lang ang may alam magbasa ng UML. Di ko nga alam kung paano sila nag advance sa career nila na di marunong umintindi ng UML.

Re: Usapang Programming Languages (Software Development)

Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:11 am
by Dobermaxx99
oliverb wrote:Sarap naman nun sir.
share lang pafs.
In letran we have specialization. at kasama nga dun yung system engineering.
pero software development kukunin ko e. sa programming kasi mataas grade ko. :evilsmile:
may database administration pa nga pala. ayaw ko naman ng database lang. boring. :ashamed:
oliverb wrote: sa lahat mga na technical interview ko kokonti lang ang may alam magbasa ng UML. Di ko nga alam kung paano sila nag advance sa career nila na di marunong umintindi ng UML.
Pasensya na sabe ko boring. :ashamed:
Di ko kasi type tables, relations and entities e. :smiley:

siguro kilangan ko ulit magtingin tingin ng dfd and erd. :agree:
momojako wrote:ano maganda pag aralan sa ngayun. java or c#. gusto ko kasi ibalik yung hilig ko sa pag prprogram
Mag vb.net ka na lang. tapos asp.net tapos ajax tapos silverlight. :agree:

Re: Usapang Programming Languages (Software Development)

Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:05 pm
by oliverb
laking improvement nung UML support ng .NET 2010 :clap:

Re: Usapang Programming Languages (Software Development)

Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:27 pm
by boynevs
^^ uu. I heard na you can create codes from UMLs sa VS 2010. Sabi nga samin nung isang training na since padali na ng padali ang mga IDE, magisip isip na kayo kung puro coding lang alam nyo :bigmouth:

Re: Usapang Programming Languages (Software Development)

Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 8:58 am
by Dobermaxx99
boynevs wrote:^^ uu. I heard na you can create codes from UMLs sa VS 2010. Sabi nga samin nung isang training na since padali na ng padali ang mga IDE, magisip isip na kayo kung puro coding lang alam nyo :bigmouth:
sabe sa amin yung mga indian at arabo daw. pure coding kahit vb o asp.net. hindi ko kaya yun. haha.

Re: Usapang Programming Languages (Software Development)

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 9:46 pm
by Dobermaxx99
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Re: Usapang Programming Languages (Software Development)

Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:57 am
by jezz
wow! galing... medyo nag aaral pa lang ako mag program,, sana matuto rin,, ask ko lang sa mga nakakapag program na,, kelangan ba kabisado yung mga codes? sorry for noob question,(wala kasi ako contact sa bro ko)nag uumpisa pa lang.. kaka shift ko pa lang ng course, medyo nahihirapan pa ako e, ibang language kasi, :D ,, pero very interesting talaga sa akin to,, natutuwa kasi ako sa kapatid ko parang pa easy easy lang siya sa job niya LOL! medyo nahihirapan pa ako e.. :D

Re: Usapang Programming Languages (Software Development)

Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:59 am
by Dobermaxx99
jezz wrote:wow! galing... medyo nag aaral pa lang ako mag program,, sana matuto rin,, ask ko lang sa mga nakakapag program na,, kelangan ba kabisado yung mga codes? sorry for noob question,(wala kasi ako contact sa bro ko)nag uumpisa pa lang.. kaka shift ko pa lang ng course, medyo nahihirapan pa ako e, ibang language kasi, :D ,, pero very interesting talaga sa akin to,, natutuwa kasi ako sa kapatid ko parang pa easy easy lang siya sa job niya LOL! medyo nahihirapan pa ako e.. :D
hindi pafs. mas mahalaga na naiintindihan mo yung logic. :agree:

Re: Usapang Programming Languages (Software Development)

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:25 pm
by boynevs
jezz wrote:wow! galing... medyo nag aaral pa lang ako mag program,, sana matuto rin,, ask ko lang sa mga nakakapag program na,, kelangan ba kabisado yung mga codes? sorry for noob question,(wala kasi ako contact sa bro ko)nag uumpisa pa lang.. kaka shift ko pa lang ng course, medyo nahihirapan pa ako e, ibang language kasi, :D ,, pero very interesting talaga sa akin to,, natutuwa kasi ako sa kapatid ko parang pa easy easy lang siya sa job niya LOL! medyo nahihirapan pa ako e.. :D
Sa codes yes, kelangan kabisado mo at least yung core topics ng programming language. Pero with modern programming IDE ngayon like Visual Studio and Net Beans madali na matuto dahil sa mga intelisense at iba pang mga helpful features.

I'm not sure about other programming patterns pero kung OOP (Object Oriented Programming) yung language, basta alam mo yung core syntaxes, maiintindihan mo na yung ibang language (like C#, C++, Java at VB.NET).

Re: Usapang Programming Languages (Software Development)

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 9:24 pm
by kingplopi
Pwede ba akong matuto nito or magkatrabaho as a programmer kahit hindi ako graduate ng computer related course? Haha.. Gusto ko din kasi matutunan to.. :smiley:

Re: Usapang Programming Languages (Software Development)

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:05 am
by Daniel
jezz wrote:wow! galing... medyo nag aaral pa lang ako mag program,, sana matuto rin,, ask ko lang sa mga nakakapag program na,, kelangan ba kabisado yung mga codes? sorry for noob question,(wala kasi ako contact sa bro ko)nag uumpisa pa lang.. kaka shift ko pa lang ng course, medyo nahihirapan pa ako e, ibang language kasi, :D ,, pero very interesting talaga sa akin to,, natutuwa kasi ako sa kapatid ko parang pa easy easy lang siya sa job niya LOL! medyo nahihirapan pa ako e.. :D
kahit hindi mo kabisado yung codes basta yun nga, alam mo yung basics. yung loops, if statement, pang display ng text. samahan mo na lang ng reference guide para sa tamang syntax o format nung command.

Re: Usapang Programming Languages (Software Development)

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:06 am
by Daniel
kingplopi wrote:Pwede ba akong matuto nito or magkatrabaho as a programmer kahit hindi ako graduate ng computer related course? Haha.. Gusto ko din kasi matutunan to.. :smiley:
pwede rin siguro pero di ako sure. may kilala ako graphics designer pero management ang course nya. :D

Re: Usapang Programming Languages (Software Development)

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:03 am
by randal
Well, graphics design, though related to software development, is very different. But I've known some career shifters from HR, etc. who could do software development now. But many companies still prefer people with background in Computer Science since software development takes more than programming. You'd also need some background on architectures, algorithms, design etc.

But I'm thinking if you don't have a degree in any IT related field, you can build up your portfolio on your own. Get a fairly complex application running; have it published or something; and put it on your resume. Actually that's pretty much what software development companies want, a proof that you can build an application using a certain (set of) technology(ies). And of course that you actually know what you're doing. :p

Re: Usapang Programming Languages (Software Development)

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:09 am
by Dobermaxx99
kingplopi wrote:Pwede ba akong matuto nito or magkatrabaho as a programmer kahit hindi ako graduate ng computer related course? Haha.. Gusto ko din kasi matutunan to.. :smiley:
mahihirapan ka pafs makipag competition sa professionals. pwede siguro pero makakapasok ka bilang desktop support technician lang. at mahihirapan ka bigyan ng pagkakataon para mahawakan yung projects nila. :agree: mahihirapan ka din mapromote at makakuha ng free trainings or seminars.

pwera na lang kung talented ka talaga at hardworking. :smiley:

Re: Usapang Programming Languages (Software Development)

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:14 am
by boynevs
kingplopi wrote:Pwede ba akong matuto nito or magkatrabaho as a programmer kahit hindi ako graduate ng computer related course? Haha.. Gusto ko din kasi matutunan to.. :smiley:
Magiging depende yan sa company na papasukan mo kung may inoofer na training. Ako may mga team mates na BS Psychology at Physical Therapy :bigmouth: Pero ngayon programmers na nakapasa pa ng Microsoft Certification Exams :agree:

Re: Usapang Programming Languages (Software Development)

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:41 pm
by kingplopi
boynevs wrote:
kingplopi wrote:Pwede ba akong matuto nito or magkatrabaho as a programmer kahit hindi ako graduate ng computer related course? Haha.. Gusto ko din kasi matutunan to.. :smiley:
Magiging depende yan sa company na papasukan mo kung may inoofer na training. Ako may mga team mates na BS Psychology at Physical Therapy :bigmouth: Pero ngayon programmers na nakapasa pa ng Microsoft Certification Exams :agree:
Yun ohh.. Haha.. :agree: Pag aralan ko nga.. Ano ba ang stable at lage hanap ng mga company pag dating sa programming languages? :ashamed:

Re: Usapang Programming Languages (Software Development)

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:25 pm
by Dobermaxx99
kingplopi wrote:
Yun ohh.. Haha.. :agree: Pag aralan ko nga.. Ano ba ang stable at lage hanap ng mga company pag dating sa programming languages? :ashamed:
Tingin ko pafs iba iba ang sagot namin jan. syempre kung ano forte namin or for a student like me kung ano yung asa curriculum namin. for me vb.net or asp.net with db for mssql or oracle. pero syempre hindi mawawala ang c sharp or c ++ or java, silverlight or ajax for microsoft or even mysql with php.

Re: Usapang Programming Languages (Software Development)

Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:48 am
by PiotrRasputin
kingplopi wrote:Pwede ba akong matuto nito or magkatrabaho as a programmer kahit hindi ako graduate ng computer related course? Haha.. Gusto ko din kasi matutunan to.. :smiley:
Alam ko pwede ka pumasok sa Accenture at Pointwest kahit di IT background mo basta mapasa mo lang exams. Madali lang kasi talaga pag-aralan programming basta may PC at IDE ka di tulad ng accountancy, nursing, etc. na mahirap i-"self study".

Re: Usapang Programming Languages (Software Development)

Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 9:10 pm
by Dobermaxx99
PiotrRasputin wrote:
Alam ko pwede ka pumasok sa Accenture at Pointwest kahit di IT background mo basta mapasa mo lang exams. Madali lang kasi talaga pag-aralan programming basta may PC at IDE ka di tulad ng accountancy, nursing, etc. na mahirap i-"self study".
madali iself study kung yung basic programming. pero pag theories na at advance programming like encryption/security mejo mahirap na idaan sa pag basa.