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i also dont believe in religion but i have a belief. i consider myself as a non denom christian or just a bible believer. i think im not religious but i think im spiritual

naalala ko yung mga debate dito

Lapsed Catholic. I still pray and believe in God pero minsan nalang ako mag attend ng Mass.

Medyo rant lang...
Nakakainis yung mga mashadong Religious na puro Bible verses ang binabato kapag against sa beliefs nila ang nangyayari.

Halimbawa, yung kay Charice Pempengco becoming a man named Jake Zyrus. Marami nagsasabi na hindi tama yun at dapat masaya ka sa kasarian na binigay ni God sayo.

Another one ay yung balitang mag live-in si James Reid at Nadine Lustre. Marami nanaman nagsasabi na against God yun. Dapat kasal muna bago mag live-in.

Lastly, yung mga against sa tattoo and pre-marital sex because bawal ayon sa Bible.

Back to topic...
May mga nakasulat sa Bible na in my opinion ok lang na hindi sundan. I believe that an individual can be a Catholic (or any kind of Christian) but at the same time be who he/she wants to be and do what he/she wants to do.

Pansin ko lang me mga taong naniniwala na kailangan sila maka simba kapag 1st Sunday, 1st Wed, 1st Fri, etc etc....

skp_16 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:19 am Lapsed Catholic. I still pray and believe in God pero minsan nalang ako mag attend ng Mass.

Medyo rant lang...
Nakakainis yung mga mashadong Religious na puro Bible verses ang binabato kapag against sa beliefs nila ang nangyayari.

Halimbawa, yung kay Charice Pempengco becoming a man named Jake Zyrus. Marami nagsasabi na hindi tama yun at dapat masaya ka sa kasarian na binigay ni God sayo.

Another one ay yung balitang mag live-in si James Reid at Nadine Lustre. Marami nanaman nagsasabi na against God yun. Dapat kasal muna bago mag live-in.

Lastly, yung mga against sa tattoo and pre-marital sex because bawal ayon sa Bible.

Back to topic...
May mga nakasulat sa Bible na in my opinion ok lang na hindi sundan. I believe that an individual can be a Catholic (or any kind of Christian) but at the same time be who he/she wants to be and do what he/she wants to do.

Yan naman ang problema sa mga sobrang relihiyosong tao - wala nang pinagbasehan kundi ang bibliya. Kahit na sabihin nilang naiintindihan nila yung mga factual information pero hindi din naman nila irerecognize, talagang ipipilit nila ang mga nalalaman nilang bersikulo at pangaral.

Kaya nga as much as possible hindi na lang ako nakikipag argumento sa mga religious na tao - hindi rin iikot ang usapan at maiinis lang din ako. Meron one time may tinabla at pinahiya akong relihiyosong tao in public (tindero sya na born again at mahilig mangaral sa tapat pa ng store namin halos araw-araw ), tinanong ko sya na kung naniniwala ba sya na pwede syang yumaman sa pamamagitan ng pananampalataya at pagdasal lang - as expected sinagot nya "oo" so ang comeback ko naman is "kung ganun bakit ka pa nagtitinda? eh di magdasal ka na lang", ayun walang nagawa ang mokong kundi tumahimik na lang - totoo naman kasi eh.

Personally, I dont mind if people chooses to blindly follow their faith - kanya kanyang trip lang naman yan, ang sa kin lang is don't rub it into other people's faces like they dont have a say on the matter. Na kesyo pangungunahan at pakikialaman mo ang life choices nila ng dahil lang sa nakasulat sa isang aklat.

Di ko matandaan kung narinig sa radyo or nabasa ko sa social media or napanood ko sa tv.. pero last week lang ito.. may religious group na nagagalit sa catholic church dahil tinuturo na may purgatory.. para saan pa daw kasi ang pagsasakripisyo nung jesus christ.. diba kaya nga daw nagsakripisyo para iligtas tayo sa mga kasalanan natin.. and parang pinapalabas na ano man maging kasalanan natin ok na yun sa kung sino man nasa taas dahil yun nga.. inako na daw nung jesus christ..

I always stay away from religious discussions because I always see condescending remarks on the beliefs of others whether it be about their religion or the lack thereof. On this thread even, I see words or terms that are unnecessary for a balanced discussion.

I'm Catholic and I regret that I couldn't practice it but being around those who do especially the ones who are progressive about their beliefs, my faith is still strong even if I get to miss attending mass.

I would like to comment on the Bible and science, the more people understand science, the more the Bible becomes scientific. One example is the creation and how long it took. The Bible gets criticized for it but we never really considered time dilation. Heck, even your favorite Marvel or Star Wars movie doesn't even consider that but the Bible kind of did. Even the Big Bang theory was proposed by a Catholic priest. Amazing isn't it?

Magandang idea ba kung lagyan natin ng poll ang thread na ito para maka-vote ang mga members kung ano religion nila?
Statistics lang.

Para sakin, doesn't matter kahit ano religion mo basta wag mo lang ipapamukha sakin na yung religion mo lang ang tama at kayo lang ang maliligtas. Meron akong naging classmate nung highschool [hindi ko na sasabihin yung religion nya] na sila lang daw ang maliligtas at lahat ng hindi kaanib sa kanila eh "sa-demonyo" raw at mapupunta sa impyerno. Kahit daw gumawa pa sila ng masama eh maliligtas pa rin sila kasi "tama" daw ang religion nila. Simula nun di ko na kinausap yung hibang na yun.

Pero barkada ko nung highschool, iba-iba religion namin pero nagkakasundo kami kahit may debate tungkol sa bibliya walang nagaaway or nagmumurahan. Pero di ako sumasali sa debate nila, nakikinig lang ako kasi hindi naman ako familiar sa mga verse sa bible at tsaka hindi rin naman ako relihoyosong tao. Mahigit dalawang dekada na akong hindi nagsisimba sa simbahan namin pero sinusunod ko pa rin yung mga utos at kung anong mga bawal sa religion ko.

I've been an Atheist even before I knew what an Atheist is. I don't broadcast or talk about it though unless I'm asked and it's usually a short "Oh.. I'm an Atheist." The reason why I don't discuss it much is because religious people tend to think it's a challenge to dispel that disbelief to the point it's get tiring and somewhat pushy and insulting. Oh, my mother is an overly devout Christian, just imagine how that conversation went.

Oink McOink wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 11:11 am I've been an Atheist even before I knew what an Atheist is. I don't broadcast or talk about it though unless I'm asked and it's usually a short "Oh.. I'm an Atheist." The reason why I don't discuss it much is because religious people tend to think it's a challenge to dispel that disbelief to the point it's get tiring and somewhat pushy and insulting. Oh, my mother is an overly devout Christian, just imagine how that conversation went.

Not to disagree with you but atheists tend to do the same... condescendingly even. I always read or hear people say religion is the root cause of all conflicts, creationism is stupid, etc...

Of course you're right. It works both ways as well. I do know one Atheist like that. But I'm talking of my experience though. Perhaps when I was younger I was proud like that, but now I feel like a seasoned tree that could bear anything silently. There's still pride, but rarely in a public setting.

For me, the root of all trouble is focusing on one's self with no regard or empathy for anything else.

..and people look at you in a strange way if you say that you dont believe in a higher being. And the devout ones use that belief of yours as a way to personaly attack you by saying stuff like "kaya siguro hanggang ganyan na lang ang buhay nyan" or "kaya siguro hindi sinuswerte sa buhay dahil hindi naniniwala sa diyos" etc,etc...

pfft, hypocrites..

Oink McOink wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:43 pm Of course you're right. It works both ways as well. I do know one Atheist like that. But I'm talking of my experience though. Perhaps when I was younger I was proud like that, but now I feel like a seasoned tree that could bear anything silently. There's still pride, but rarely in a public setting.

For me, the root of all trouble is focusing on one's self with no regard or empathy for anything else.

I didn't disagree with what you said, just added something to it. Of course each person has his or her own experience with how others condescendingly question his or her beliefs. You probably hang out with old people too much. I have atheist friends, some are preachy, rest are assholes. They insult and use terms like fairy tales, and fictional characters like Santa Claus (not referring to the saint), and the tooth fairy.

If you backread, you'd read the same kind of condescending terms such as blind, demon, etc.

First half of this quote sums up some religious people.

Basta ako ay Agnostic/Lapsed Catholic...Although i listen & study Buddhism as well nowadays....

jsnepo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:06 pmI didn't disagree with what you said, just added something to it. Of course each person has his or her own experience with how others condescendingly question his or her beliefs. You probably hang out with old people too much. I have atheist friends, some are preachy, rest are assholes. They insult and use terms like fairy tales, and fictional characters like Santa Claus (not referring to the saint), and the tooth fairy.

If you backread, you'd read the same kind of condescending terms such as blind, demon, etc.

I did and I read it before so there's not much to talk about. If one's a believer or non-believer their whole life then I don't see why proving one's point will ever change the other's perspective.

What I dislike are those fence jumpers, those that doesn't have a belief of their own, those "I went Atheist for a bit but now nagbalik loob ako" and vice versa. Those people I avoid like the plague. I feel like they're treating the whole thing like a trend.

Oink McOink wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2017 9:54 am

jsnepo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:06 pmI didn't disagree with what you said, just added something to it. Of course each person has his or her own experience with how others condescendingly question his or her beliefs. You probably hang out with old people too much. I have atheist friends, some are preachy, rest are assholes. They insult and use terms like fairy tales, and fictional characters like Santa Claus (not referring to the saint), and the tooth fairy.

If you backread, you'd read the same kind of condescending terms such as blind, demon, etc.

I did and I read it before so there's not much to talk about. If one's a believer or non-believer their whole life then I don't see why proving one's point will ever change the other's perspective.

What I dislike are those fence jumpers, those that doesn't have a belief of their own, those "I went Atheist for a bit but now nagbalik loob ako" and vice versa. Those people I avoid like the plague. I feel like they're treating the whole thing like a trend.

I know what you mean. Haha! Maybe they really have a change of heart. People grow and not just by their age but through experience and environment. It'll be hard to discuss about that objectively because I doubt there's reliable statistics about it.

Also, see above image. That's what I'm talking about.

DarkRushBeat wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:06 pm

I don't wanna grow up. im playing the middle picture. lots of imvisible people in the sky.