what's your religion?

[VincH]

diba nagsorry ka? makakalimutin ka pala sir vinch

what? i dont get it. sorry

Ok lang yun

ah yun pala kala ko kung ano na hehe

I am a believer, and up to this point in my life, I still have not found a reason to give up my faith as a Christian.

same here.

for me the more the science advances, and the more i see the reasoning of the atheists (or anti-theist), the more it strengthens my faith

thanks nga pala sa mga links!

[choy]

My Reply: Dude i will just correct your faulty logic ah.

Kung ang Atheism (No religion) ay Religion.

Ang blanko na radio Frequency ay Radio Station

Ang Hindi Pagkokolekta ng Stamps ay isang hobby

And bote ng coke na walang laman na coke ay softdrinks.


Ang Atheist (without belief) ay hindi pwede maging religion dahil sa basic logic at wala silang fundamental belief.

let ME correct your faulty logic

atheism is not lack of religion. atheism is the lack of a belief in a god or deity. it comes from the Greek "theo" meaning God, an the suffix "a-" which means lack of.

so atheism can be a religion. religion doesn't mean god, it means a systematic belief system, which a lot of atheists today display.

[alontheedges]

Oh sorry that was careless of me

a-theism no deity

a-gnosis is no knowledge

anti-theism is anti deity

[Darkshader]

Hindi lahat ng bagay nasasagot ng scientific belief or scientific evidence. Marami na akong narinig na testimony sa ibat ibang members ng simbahan ko while i was growing up na meron talagang miracles. Eto na lang iyong isang kakilala ko ... i cannot remember kung anak nya iyong kinuwento nya sa akin. May cancer daw sabi ng doctor, tapos pinasuri sa specialista na doctor ... so ginawa ng anak nya nag pray talaga sya at nag-fasting. ng dumating iyong result ng examine nya wala daw cancer ... nagulat iyong specialista na doctor.

[alontheedges]

Ay Choy medyo mali talaga iba ang ATHEIST AT ANTITHEIST

malaki pinagkaiba pero ok lang yan basic mistake yan. Terminology lang problema mo. What sets them apart is the indifference of Atheists against Antitheists.

CHOY SAID:

"so atheism can be a religion. religion doesn't mean god, it means a systematic belief system, which a lot of atheists today display."

What is atheism?
"Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

What is antitheism?
"Antitheism (sometimes anti-theism) is active opposition to theism. The etymological roots of the word are the Greek 'anti-' and 'theismos'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antitheism

TAGALOG:
Kung wala kang pinaniniwalaan (indifference) - Atheist ka
Kung naniniwala ka na kailangan patayin ang paniniwala sa dyos ng ibang tao (belief system) - Antitheist ka.

Question: Kung wala kang pinaniniwalaan and you do not evangelize and believe in belief system may religion ka ba? OO ba sagot dyan?
Question: Kung ayaw mo maniwala sa dyos ang ibang tao atheist ka ba? Hindi, by strict definition ANTITHEIST.
Kung naniniwala ka na kailangan hindi maniwala ang ibang tao, may belief system ka na diba?

ANTITHEIST / ANTITHEIST behavior example: Satanists, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens RIP

"An antitheist is defined by the Oxford English Dictionary as "One opposed to belief in the existence of a god."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antitheism

Ang bote ng coke na walang laman na coke ay hindi softdrinks. It does not get any clearer than that and sorry for the careless definition of atheist

[alontheedges]

CHOY

Pero sana gets mo ang difference na ng ANTITHEISM at ATHEIST at AGNOSTISM
Sorry for careless definition of atheism (no religion) what i meant was no belief.

here are links for quick reference,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antitheism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism

Ang blanko na radio frequency ay hindi radio staion tulad ng 89.9. Hindi kalaban ng magic 89.9 ang static na 107.7.

[alontheedges]

CHOY last na para sayo.

Easier read than 3 different links on ANTITHEISM AND ATHEISM

http://atheism.about.com/od/atheismathe ... Theism.htm

" Atheism is simply the absence of belief in gods; anti-theism is a conscious and deliberate opposition to theism. "

[jireckpuge]

in a way tama naman a..
Saan ka nakakita ng Atheist na may relihiyon?
edi, Atheist = no religion

[Eric_R]

Correct me if I'm wrong, the point Choy was trying to make is that there are a lot of individuals who claim to be "atheists" are actively promoting the disbelief of God or superior being. Which in turn becomes a religious gesture. In short, these individuals are not the real atheists (according to the definition) but unaware that they are anti-theists.

Am I understanding it right Choy?

[choy]

Galing mismo sa quote mo, atheism isn't the rejection of belief. It is the rejection of the belief in a deity. It doesn't mean you do not have any belief at all. I mean, I've met people who really have no belief and doesn't care about any belief system, they are indifferent. But that doesn't mean all atheists are that way. You're definition is all encompassing. Technically Buddhists are atheists because there is no deity in Buddhism.

So no, I wasn't wrong.

And Silver6, you are right. My point are there are people who doesn't believe in any god and wants to force that same unbelief to other people.

Mali din yung taglog mo, kasi basi sa sinabi sa Wikipedia na ni-quote mo ang tamang tagalog eh, "Ang atheist ay isang walang pinaniniwalaan na diyos".

Basahin mo yung buong sentence

[alontheedges]

Choy i believe you didnt read my link and SILVER 6 underlined/emphasized it for you. ATheists are not Antitheists.

Important ang definitions para hindi tayo bara bara.

Kung pinilit mo yang point na ang ATHEIST at ANTITHEIST ay pareho but by definition are different, you are committing fallacy Irrelevant Conclusion / Appeal to Authority

"Argument: CHOY believes that atheism is a religion, therefore it must be a religion.
Problem: CHOY can be wrong. (In particular this is an appeal to authority.)"

Grammar issue:
One last point People who DONT not People who doesn't

[alontheedges]

CHOY like Silver 6 underlined, if we are to debate, terms are important.

[alontheedges]

CHOY
"And Silver6, you are right. My point are there are people who doesn't believe in any god and wants to force that same unbelief to other people."

Silver 6 highlighted underlined the difference for you. If you force that unbelief you are an antitheist by DEFINITION.

[alontheedges]

Saka CHOY this is a good read i will highlight important discussions on this topic between ATHEISM AND ANTITHESIM para di mo na sila maconfuse.
http://secularist10.hubpages.com/hub/To ... ut-Atheism

6. Atheism is a religion
Atheism is the lack of belief in God. It is therefore equivalent to theism, the belief in God. But theism is not a religion, it is a metaphysical idea or position. .....

[alontheedges]

Correct me if I'm wrong, the point Choy was trying to make is that there are a lot of individuals who claim to be "atheists" are actively promoting the disbelief of God or superior being. Which in turn becomes a religious gesture. In short, these individuals are not the real atheists (according to the definition) but unaware that they are anti-theists.

Am I understanding it right Choy?

Yep, exactly, they are different terminology that should be confused because they are well, different!

ATHEIST IS NOT ANTITHEIST.

[Eric_R]

I'd like to make it clear as well that I also do understand and recently realized that Buddhism in it's original teachings, is also an example of Atheism not Antitheism. Therefore, Buddhism is one form of religion that is classified as Atheistic; However, not all Atheist can have a religion.

At this point, both of you are correct in a sense.



Please note that I stated that "original teachings" of Buddhism as a religion of atheism, meaning no god(s). But there are Buddhists that are considered to be "naive, petitionary, and superstitious".

[choy]

[jireckpuge]

Brother choy pasensya ka na
argument kase yung binitawan mo na "atheism is also a religion"
Kaya may sasagot talaga sayo kase they think mali ka

Eto na lang bro, saan ka nakakita ng atheist na may relihiyon?

so mga brothers if we start an argument
Wag naman tatapusin na lang natin sa "not worth the argument"

Kung hindi na natin masagot pwede naman tayong magpakumbaba
Gaya ng turo ng simbahan na maging mapagpakumbaba

We can say "ay brother tama ka pala, salamat"

sundin lang ang turo ng simbahan

[jireckpuge]

panoorin nyo na lang yung video na shinare namin ni Silver6
pag nahihirapan kayo basahin o intindihin yung ibang links

anyway post ko na din http://pinoybb.net/television/bottomlin ... 2012-02-04

[alontheedges]

Silver 6 - Yeah, Buddhism is the only sane Right Hand Path religion to me. Its doctrines are not dogmas where one is forced to follow. I see Buddhism's teachings as merely guides unlike in Abrahamic religions Islam, Judaism, Christianity. Although I still prefer Left Hand Path religions where loving and "worshiping" one's self is the ultimate moral imperative. (Ayn Rand's Rational Selfishness Doctrine.

CHOY - So it is settled. Anti-theism can be a religion but Atheism cant. Semantics and terminologies are important in a discussion or else we many not be talking about the same thing.