what's your religion?

[VincH]

honestly, naging atheist din ako nung bata pa ako. siguro mga around 10 years old ata ako because i was very disappointed w/something i forgot. i even prayed for the death of somebody i forgot how did i go back to believing in Him again, maybe i just saw the "light" unconciously.

after i saw those "atheist's proofs" like the zeitgeist and the others, i almost became an atheist again but after doing research and the more i question the integrity of the bible, the stronger my faith w/ Him has become. i asked about the atheist's claims about how the bible condones violence, slavery, etc. and how did it contradicts w/ scientific facts. they gave me the verses. after understanding those verses, i conclude that they are wrong. they just fail to understand what is literal and what is figurative, and the answers to their questions are just in the bible itself.

dont just rely on just one version of the bible, there are additions made by scrofulous people. the book of mark is up to 16:8 only. there are verses in john that is mistakenly translated in the king james version. and maybe there are others.

[VincH]

It's a shame

when i talk to other atheists , they give me the same reason , like god is not with them whenever he/she needs them.

ganyan din nangyayari sakin. madami ako disappointments sa buhay but i still believed in him. maybe He just wanted us to handle our problems our own way first thats why He gave us free will. dont expect immediate "miracles" to happen, it will happen slowly and unconsciously if you have faith, and i think that is what happening to me right now. yung mga ipinagdarasal ko dati matagal na matagal na mukhang unti unting natutupad ng hindi ko napapansin. for me ganun ang miracle ng Diyos. always look at the bright sides of life.

hindi sa nakikialam ako ng buhay ng may buhay ha , opinion ko lang, sana di ako naka offend siguro nga mas malalaking problema na ang nakaharap mo. sana makabalik ka uli sa kanya

[VincH]

siguro gusto lang nila magshare ng kanilang paniniwala kay God. and I think that is a part of Christianity. to share and spread the gospel. if may ma-convert sa inyo na nonbelievers, di very good pag wala, well at least you know your options. and yeah, we can always live together in peace. because God loves you no matter what

tama ito. nasasainyo naman yun kung macoconvert kayo o hindi.

i think i will stick to my belief forever because it has positive effects. if i stick to my belief that somebody out there listens to my prayers, it is has positive effects. placebo effect or not it is still positive.

[Ravencroft_PH]

It's a shame

when i talk to other atheists , they give me the same reason , like god is not with them whenever he/she needs them.

ganyan din nangyayari sakin. madami ako disappointments sa buhay but i still believed in him. maybe He just wanted us to handle our problems our own way first thats why He gave us free will. dont expect immediate "miracles" to happen, it will happen slowly and unconsciously if you have faith, and i think that is what happening to me right now. yung mga ipinagdarasal ko dati matagal na matagal na mukhang unti unting natutupad ng hindi ko napapansin. for me ganun ang miracle ng Diyos. always look at the bright sides of life.

hindi sa nakikialam ako ng buhay ng may buhay ha , opinion ko lang, sana di ako naka offend siguro nga mas malalaking problema na ang nakaharap mo. sana makabalik ka uli sa kanya

None taken bro

everybody has problems , the only thing is I don't blame anyone or any god for whatever misfortune thats been happening to me, everything happens for a reason I guess?

this is just a phase I guess, who knows I might see the light again

[blakedaddy]

ang turo kasi nung mga bata tayo -- be good, pray always and believe in God then something good will happen parang santa claus

dati iniisip ko mapasama man o mapabuti mangyari, ginusto ni God and may mabuting dahilan siya kaya ganun -- ok sunod na lang then pagtungtong ng puberty stage(emo stage ), nagexperiment just ruled out God and started thinking na kapag may mangyaring masama or mabuti sa akin ay dahil sa resulta ng mga desisyon at ginawa ko. ayun mejo gumaan pakiramdam ko still believes in the golden rule and enjoys study sessions regarding good moral character/conscience, etc. pero ewan , sumisikip pakiramdam ko kapag usapang acceptance/recognize of him na

[VincH]

nag PM sa aking ang isang atheist sa isang site. sinubukan nyang basahin ang bible pero hindi sya talaga naniniwala na totoo ang mga nakasulat doon. tinanong nya ako kung anong rason ko kung bakit pinili kong maniwala sa Diyos na nasa bible, eto sinabi ko, ipaste ko na din dito kasi eto dahilan kung bakit ginusto kong maniwala:

ganito na lang yan. science believes you cant create someting out of nothing so ask yourelf a series of questions of who created who until you end up asking who created God the creator of all (not just the God in the bible). ngayon kapag tinanong mo kung saan nanggaling ang God the creator of all, mali na ang tanong mo. logical fallacy na yun. kasi kung tatanungin mo kung sino gumawa kay God the creator of all eh di hindi na sya pwedeng tawaging God the creator of all. so for me meron ngang God.

so sa dinami dami ng mythical gods bakit pinili kong maniwala sa Diyos na sinasabi ng bible? eh kasi yung bible lang ang may claims na later lang napatunayang totoo, examples:

Jobs 26:7
He stretched out the north over the empty space, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

-kelan lang ba napatunayan na ang earth ay nakalutang? yan ay nung natuto nang lumabas ang tao sa labas ng earth at kumuha ng photograph nung 19th century.

Jobs 37:7
7He sealeth up the hand of every man; that all men may know his work.
look at your hand bro, may seal yang kamay mo. yan ay ang fingerprints mo proving you are a work of God. kelan lang ba napatunayang scientific proof na ang fingerprints ay pwedeng gamitin to identify a man? very recently lang, nitong early 00s yata. at walang magkakaparehong fingerprints kahit na twins, identical twins, siamese twins, and any kinds of twins. proving you are a unique work of God.

search about lysanius and king sargon, historians doubts the historical authenticity of the bible dahil walang ancient literature na may lysanius and king sargon until may nahukay silang evidences nitong 18th and 19th century lang. recently may nahukay na din house of david inscriptions at dead sea scrolls. proving na totoo ang sinasabi ng bible.

(eto yung mga post ko sa previous pages, balak ko pang dagdagan yun)

totoo na merong mga dinagdag na false stories ang mga scrofulous translators ng bible. yung book of mark hanggang chapter 16:8 lang. meron din maling translation ang king james version sa book of john. hindi talaga maiiwasan yun pero yung main message or purpose ng bible ay nandun pa din, na there is a God and we must obey him and we must not do bad things.

sorry mahaba reply ko. marami pa akong pwedeng idagdag kung gusto mo. at kung gusto mong maging atheist talaga ito na lang isipin mo:

kung tama ang mga atheists na wala talagang Diyos eh di pare-pareho lang tayong mawawala kapag namatay. eh paano naman kung tama kami na may Diyos na parurusahan ang hindi kumilala sa kanya? wag mo ilagay ang kaluluwa mo sa disadvantage. wala namang mawawala sayo kung maniniwala ka or hindi. hindi naman requirement ang pagpunta sa mga simbahan linggo linggo. masaya maging christian.

magpapabukas daw sya ng 3rd eye ewan ko kung anong rason nya.

[francis_1787]

nag PM sa aking ang isang atheist sa isang site. sinubukan nyang basahin ang bible pero hindi sya talaga naniniwala na totoo ang mga nakasulat doon. tinanong nya ako kung anong rason ko kung bakit pinili kong maniwala sa Diyos na nasa bible, eto sinabi ko, ipaste ko na din dito kasi eto dahilan kung bakit ginusto kong maniwala:

ganito na lang yan. science believes you cant create someting out of nothing so ask yourelf a series of questions of who created who until you end up asking who created God the creator of all (not just the God in the bible). ngayon kapag tinanong mo kung saan nanggaling ang God the creator of all, mali na ang tanong mo. logical fallacy na yun. kasi kung tatanungin mo kung sino gumawa kay God the creator of all eh di hindi na sya pwedeng tawaging God the creator of all. so for me meron ngang God.

so sa dinami dami ng mythical gods bakit pinili kong maniwala sa Diyos na sinasabi ng bible? eh kasi yung bible lang ang may claims na later lang napatunayang totoo, examples:

Jobs 26:7
He stretched out the north over the empty space, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

-kelan lang ba napatunayan na ang earth ay nakalutang? yan ay nung natuto nang lumabas ang tao sa labas ng earth at kumuha ng photograph nung 19th century.

Jobs 37:7
7He sealeth up the hand of every man; that all men may know his work.
look at your hand bro, may seal yang kamay mo. yan ay ang fingerprints mo proving you are a work of God. kelan lang ba napatunayang scientific proof na ang fingerprints ay pwedeng gamitin to identify a man? very recently lang, nitong early 00s yata. at walang magkakaparehong fingerprints kahit na twins, identical twins, siamese twins, and any kinds of twins. proving you are a unique work of God.

search about lysanius and king sargon, historians doubts the historical authenticity of the bible dahil walang ancient literature na may lysanius and king sargon until may nahukay silang evidences nitong 18th and 19th century lang. recently may nahukay na din house of david inscriptions at dead sea scrolls. proving na totoo ang sinasabi ng bible.

(eto yung mga post ko sa previous pages, balak ko pang dagdagan yun)

totoo na merong mga dinagdag na false stories ang mga scrofulous translators ng bible. yung book of mark hanggang chapter 16:8 lang. meron din maling translation ang king james version sa book of john. hindi talaga maiiwasan yun pero yung main message or purpose ng bible ay nandun pa din, na there is a God and we must obey him and we must do bad things.

sorry mahaba reply ko. marami pa akong pwedeng idagdag kung gusto mo. at kung gusto mong maging atheist talaga ito na lang isipin mo:

kung tama ang mga atheists na wala talagang Diyos eh di pare-pareho lang tayong mawawala kapag namatay. eh paano naman kung tama kami na may Diyos na parurusahan ang hindi kumilala sa kanya? wag mo ilagay ang kaluluwa mo sa disadvantage. wala namang mawawala sayo kung maniniwala ka or hindi. hindi naman requirement ang pagpunta sa mga simbahan linggo linggo. masaya maging christian.

magpapabukas daw sya ng 3rd eye ewan ko kung anong rason nya.

you may want to edit that.

[VincH]

thanks bro! now edited

[zmed_08]

Wow! There's a board about this certain topic...

@Vinch... I see you can quote most of the books from the Bible... I'd just like to ask if you have ever read other literature that leans towards Christianity such as Summa Theologiae by St. Thomas Aquinas (or just the quinque viae of it) or The Divine Comedy by Dante Alighieri...

Oh and guys... have you ever heard of the Cloth of Turin (or Shroud of Turin to be exact)... I think the evidence found on it is just amazing and it made me really believe!

[VincH]

@Vinch... I see you can quote most of the books from the Bible... I'd just like to ask if you have ever read other literature that leans towards Christianity such as Summa Theologiae by St. Thomas Aquinas (or just the quinque viae of it) or The Divine Comedy by Dante Alighieri...

hindi ko pa nabasa yang mga yan. i add ko yan sa mga to-read list ko.

[Xezcente]

Guys, may tanong ako. What does the Bible or the Christian faith has to say on Death Penalty?

Simple curiosity.

[SirZap]

[Eric_R]

^ Oh yeah! I read some articles he wrote 3 years ago. He will definitely test the level of your faith and intelligence.

[x--ArchAngeL--x]

what's your religion?

Roman Catholic

Guys, may tanong ako. What does the Bible or the Christian faith has to say on Death Penalty?

Simple curiosity.

as far as i know, under the roman catholic teachings, pro life so against ang teachings sa death penalty...

i forgot kung sang part ng bible but Jesus told the persecutors who will execute a sinner by stone, "he who has no sin cast the first stone" not the exact words pero parang ganyan ang meaning and nobody did... as for me, pro life ako siyempre pero minsan kung sobrang sahol yung nagawa ng tao parang gusto mo na lang siya mamatay or patayin... still, i try to open my mind and realize that we are all just poor sinners and have the chance to change... none of us have the right to take one's life but God himself who gave it to us through His miracle...

[zmed_08]

Guys, may tanong ako. What does the Bible or the Christian faith has to say on Death Penalty?

Simple curiosity.

5.) You shall not kill (In the Roman Catholic religion)

However, in Evangelium Vitae, Pope John Paul II states:

execution is only appropriate in cases of absolute necessity, in other words when it would not be possible otherwise to defend society.

so capital punishment is only a last resort if there are ABSOLUTELY NO MEANS OF CHANGING THE PERSON/PEOPLE!

St. Thomas Aquinas also touched this subject... Like Pope John Paul II, he accepted death penalty as a necessary deterrent and prevention method, but not as a means of vengeance.

The Catholic Church will most likely agree with the latter two because of updated information and I guess those arguments have survived disagreements from theologians...

Now that you have your options, I wonder where you stand...

[VincH]

balak kong basahin yung mga libro ni Dawkins next pag may free time ako. ngayon nanonood ako ng mga anti-bible videos sa youtube pero walang convincing for me.

about sa death penalty, wala akong maalala sa bible na tinuro ng Dyos na ok lang pumatay ng tao depende sa situation. i may be wrong, magre-research pa ako yung Diyos pumatay for the better good pero hindi pwedeng tawaging murder yun kasi sya naman ang may ari ng buhay. binawi nya lang ang buhay na binigay nya. kung ako tatanungin pabor ako sa death penalty :flamedevil: :flamedevil:

meron bang evolutionist dito? totoo ba na ang natural selection ay "discards the bad then keeps the goods"?

[Xezcente]

Thanks for the various replies. I shall think on this...

[kirsh_natural]

meron bang evolutionist dito? totoo ba na ang natural selection ay "discards the bad then keeps the goods"?

i wouldn't put it exactly like that pero somewhat. natural selection favors characteristics that are beneficial to the species or race.

[SirZap]

death penalty from the bible

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_ ... oning.html

For touching Mount Sinai
Whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death. Exodus 19:13
For taking "accursed things"
Achan ... took of the accursed thing. ... And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones. ... So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger. Joshua 7:1-26
For cursing or blaspheming
And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him. Leviticus 24:16
For adultery (including urban rape victims who fail to scream loud enough)
If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city. Deuteronomy 22:23-24
For animals (like an ox that gores a human)
If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned. Exodus 21:28
For a woman who is not a virgin on her wedding night
If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say ... these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die. Deuteronomy 22:13-21
For worshipping other gods
If there be found among you ... that ... hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them ... Then shalt thou ... tone them with stones, till they die. Deuteronomy 17:2-5
If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers ... thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 13:5-10
For disobeying parents
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother ... Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city ... And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 21:18-21
For witches and wizards
A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:27
For giving your children to Molech
Whosoever ... giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones. Leviticus 20:2
For breaking the Sabbath
They found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. ... And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones.... And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses. Numbers 15:32-56
For cursing the king
Thou didst blaspheme God and the king. And then carry him out, and stone him, that he may die. 1 Kings 21:10

[kirsh_natural]

^ nice find. I remember watching Family Guy with Stewie reading the Bible and saying how "deliciously violent" this God is.

I have a question for believers: When reading the Bible, how do you know which ones are written figuratively or literally? Which ones are "dated" or "eternal"?