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Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:53 pm

Actually it's all really up to you. Personally, I think both careers (networking at programming) are big earners even here in the Philippines. So it's your choice kung saan mo mas gusto kasi yan ang gagawin mo day in day out. :agree:

I took up CCNA 1-4 in college pero I didn't take the exam kasi dun palang alam ko na mas gusto ko ang programming. Kaya I took MCPD-EA C# certification instead. I had no formal training sa C# pero since interested talaga ko, natyaga ko yung self paced books para matapos yung exams. I don't think I could have done that with Cisco Certification. :bigmouth:
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boynevs wrote:Actually it's all really up to you. Personally, I think both careers (networking at programming) are big earners even here in the Philippines. So it's your choice kung saan mo mas gusto kasi yan ang gagawin mo day in day out. :agree:

I took up CCNA 1-4 in college pero I didn't take the exam kasi dun palang alam ko na mas gusto ko ang programming. Kaya I took MCPD-EA C# certification instead. I had no formal training sa C# pero since interested talaga ko, natyaga ko yung self paced books para matapos yung exams. I don't think I could have done that with Cisco Certification. :bigmouth:
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boynevs wrote:Actually it's all really up to you. Personally, I think both careers (networking at programming) are big earners even here in the Philippines. So it's your choice kung saan mo mas gusto kasi yan ang gagawin mo day in day out. :agree:

I took up CCNA 1-4 in college pero I didn't take the exam kasi dun palang alam ko na mas gusto ko ang programming. Kaya I took MCPD-EA C# certification instead. I had no formal training sa C# pero since interested talaga ko, natyaga ko yung self paced books para matapos yung exams. I don't think I could have done that with Cisco Certification. :bigmouth:
kailangan talaga sa cisco certs ng hands on experience. ang alam ko sa dlsu (at mapua it din yata) meron tie up with cisco para sa mga equipments. ako expired na yung MCAD certification ko. kailangan ng kumuha uli for .net 3.5. ang mahirap lang dun sa may certification pero wala pang work experience puro theoretical yung basis ng knowledge. meron ako mga na interview na less than a year yung experience pero MS certified. puro by the book yung alam pero yung actual usage di nila ma explain kung paano or bakit ganun yung nakalagay sa book

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oliverb wrote: kailangan talaga sa cisco certs ng hands on experience. ang alam ko sa dlsu (at mapua it din yata) meron tie up with cisco para sa mga equipments. ako expired na yung MCAD certification ko. kailangan ng kumuha uli for .net 3.5. ang mahirap lang dun sa may certification pero wala pang work experience puro theoretical yung basis ng knowledge. meron ako mga na interview na less than a year yung experience pero MS certified. puro by the book yung alam pero yung actual usage di nila ma explain kung paano or bakit ganun yung nakalagay sa book

ako nag start ako as sys admin. inabutan ko pa sa company namin na nt 4 yung mga domain controllers. then naging win2k tapos win2k3. ngayon win2k8 na yung ginagamit for moss. tapos nag shift yung group namin to programming/app design. laking tulong din yung may background ka about sa network stuff, kahit basics lang lalo na kung web developer
Bali share lang bro. tie up kami sa microsoft. kaya may practical din kami. ang tanung. yun din kaya ang mismong gagawin namin pag mag wowork na kami. :ashamed: sana oo, sabi kasi sa amin mataas daw expectations sa mga certified ni cisco man o ni microsoft. :facepalm:
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oliverb wrote: kailangan talaga sa cisco certs ng hands on experience. ang alam ko sa dlsu (at mapua it din yata) meron tie up with cisco para sa mga equipments. ako expired na yung MCAD certification ko. kailangan ng kumuha uli for .net 3.5. ang mahirap lang dun sa may certification pero wala pang work experience puro theoretical yung basis ng knowledge. meron ako mga na interview na less than a year yung experience pero MS certified. puro by the book yung alam pero yung actual usage di nila ma explain kung paano or bakit ganun yung nakalagay sa book

ako nag start ako as sys admin. inabutan ko pa sa company namin na nt 4 yung mga domain controllers. then naging win2k tapos win2k3. ngayon win2k8 na yung ginagamit for moss. tapos nag shift yung group namin to programming/app design. laking tulong din yung may background ka about sa network stuff, kahit basics lang lalo na kung web developer
Bali share lang bro. tie up kami sa microsoft. kaya may practical din kami. ang tanung. yun din kaya ang mismong gagawin namin pag mag wowork na kami. :ashamed: sana oo, sabi kasi sa amin mataas daw expectations sa mga certified ni cisco man o ni microsoft. :facepalm:
In fact yes :smiley: yan din yung gagawin nyo if makakuha kayo ng job sa solutions.

However, based on experience you shouldn't just focus on certification, programing language specific kasi yan e. Mas malayo mararating mo sa industry kung iaaply mo yung Software Engineering skills mo. Meaning, marunong ka pag problem solving using UMLs. And from UMLs kaya mo makagawa ng code.
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boynevs wrote:
In fact yes :smiley: yan din yung gagawin nyo if makakuha kayo ng job sa solutions.

However, based on experience you shouldn't just focus on certification, programing language specific kasi yan e. Mas malayo mararating mo sa industry kung iaaply mo yung Software Engineering skills mo. Meaning, marunong ka pag problem solving using UMLs. And from UMLs kaya mo makagawa ng code.
Yung uml ba like data-flow diagram (DFD) and entity-relationship diagrams (ERDs)?

nakoo. mababa grade ko sa system analysis and design. haha.
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Fri Apr 23, 2010 2:56 pm

^^ Yup yun nga yun :agree: and many more like use case, sequence diagram etc...

SIla kasi yung foundation mo in building a good solution. Without those, its like building a house without a blueprint.

Kapag entry level programmer ka palang, hindi mo pa masyado maapreciate sya kasi most of the time, you'll be coding other people's design. Pero kapag nabigyan ka ng chance mag go through an end-to-end software lifecycle, those would be skills you'll need the most.
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maganda ba pag aralan ang c#? yun kasi pinag aaralan ko ngayun pag free time. umaasa pa kasi akong makapag work sa kinahiligan ko date nung college, which is programming
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boynevs wrote:^^ Yup yun nga yun :agree: and many more like use case, sequence diagram etc...

SIla kasi yung foundation mo in building a good solution. Without those, its like building a house without a blueprint.

Kapag entry level programmer ka palang, hindi mo pa masyado maapreciate sya kasi most of the time, you'll be coding other people's design. Pero kapag nabigyan ka ng chance mag go through an end-to-end software lifecycle, those would be skills you'll need the most.
Sarap naman nun sir.
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In letran we have specialization. at kasama nga dun yung system engineering.
pero software development kukunin ko e. sa programming kasi mataas grade ko. :evilsmile:
may database administration pa nga pala. ayaw ko naman ng database lang. boring. :ashamed:
momojako wrote:maganda ba pag aralan ang c#? yun kasi pinag aaralan ko ngayun pag free time. umaasa pa kasi akong makapag work sa kinahiligan ko date nung college, which is programming
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ano maganda pag aralan sa ngayun. java or c#. gusto ko kasi ibalik yung hilig ko sa pag prprogram
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Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:37 pm

^ Can't really recommed kasi pareho naman sila okay. Here are some pros and cons I can think of for C# (Kasi c# gamit ko)
Pros:
* Ease of use - Madali magcode dahil sa Visual Studio. By madali I mean madali magedit, magalign, intellisense etc...
* Support - MSDN documentation and other sites are readily available.
* Applicable to new MS technology - Nauuso ngayon sa bagong version ng .NET is WPF and silverlight. Applicable parin yung C# sa mga to kasi sya yung code behind.

Cons:
* License is expensive: Di masyado affected programmer dito except the fact that most companies that use Visual Studio license are already stablished kasi may kamahalan ang VS.
* Technology efficiency is tied up to other MS products: Supported naman nila yung ibang non-ms products (MySQL, Oracle, etc...) kaya lang yung mga recommended ay MS din (MS SQL, IIS, silver light).
* OS dependency - Almost forgot this one. Pero as far as I know, medyo complicated pa if not impossible to run .NET code sa Linux or Mac. So most of the time your OS will be Windows when developing C# (Another tie-up)

Hope it helps!
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Sarap naman nun sir.
share lang pafs.
In letran we have specialization. at kasama nga dun yung system engineering.
pero software development kukunin ko e. sa programming kasi mataas grade ko. :evilsmile:
may database administration pa nga pala. ayaw ko naman ng database lang. boring. :ashamed:
ok din DBA. from DBA pwede ka maging data architect. jan madaming pera kasi karamihan ng mga transactions e data related.
^^ Yup yun nga yun :agree: and many more like use case, sequence diagram etc...

SIla kasi yung foundation mo in building a good solution. Without those, its like building a house without a blueprint.

Kapag entry level programmer ka palang, hindi mo pa masyado maapreciate sya kasi most of the time, you'll be coding other people's design. Pero kapag nabigyan ka ng chance mag go through an end-to-end software lifecycle, those would be skills you'll need the most.
sa lahat mga na technical interview ko kokonti lang ang may alam magbasa ng UML. Di ko nga alam kung paano sila nag advance sa career nila na di marunong umintindi ng UML.
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oliverb wrote:Sarap naman nun sir.
share lang pafs.
In letran we have specialization. at kasama nga dun yung system engineering.
pero software development kukunin ko e. sa programming kasi mataas grade ko. :evilsmile:
may database administration pa nga pala. ayaw ko naman ng database lang. boring. :ashamed:
oliverb wrote: sa lahat mga na technical interview ko kokonti lang ang may alam magbasa ng UML. Di ko nga alam kung paano sila nag advance sa career nila na di marunong umintindi ng UML.
Pasensya na sabe ko boring. :ashamed:
Di ko kasi type tables, relations and entities e. :smiley:

siguro kilangan ko ulit magtingin tingin ng dfd and erd. :agree:
momojako wrote:ano maganda pag aralan sa ngayun. java or c#. gusto ko kasi ibalik yung hilig ko sa pag prprogram
Mag vb.net ka na lang. tapos asp.net tapos ajax tapos silverlight. :agree:
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laking improvement nung UML support ng .NET 2010 :clap:
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^^ uu. I heard na you can create codes from UMLs sa VS 2010. Sabi nga samin nung isang training na since padali na ng padali ang mga IDE, magisip isip na kayo kung puro coding lang alam nyo :bigmouth:
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boynevs wrote:^^ uu. I heard na you can create codes from UMLs sa VS 2010. Sabi nga samin nung isang training na since padali na ng padali ang mga IDE, magisip isip na kayo kung puro coding lang alam nyo :bigmouth:
sabe sa amin yung mga indian at arabo daw. pure coding kahit vb o asp.net. hindi ko kaya yun. haha.
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wow! galing... medyo nag aaral pa lang ako mag program,, sana matuto rin,, ask ko lang sa mga nakakapag program na,, kelangan ba kabisado yung mga codes? sorry for noob question,(wala kasi ako contact sa bro ko)nag uumpisa pa lang.. kaka shift ko pa lang ng course, medyo nahihirapan pa ako e, ibang language kasi, :D ,, pero very interesting talaga sa akin to,, natutuwa kasi ako sa kapatid ko parang pa easy easy lang siya sa job niya LOL! medyo nahihirapan pa ako e.. :D
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jezz wrote:wow! galing... medyo nag aaral pa lang ako mag program,, sana matuto rin,, ask ko lang sa mga nakakapag program na,, kelangan ba kabisado yung mga codes? sorry for noob question,(wala kasi ako contact sa bro ko)nag uumpisa pa lang.. kaka shift ko pa lang ng course, medyo nahihirapan pa ako e, ibang language kasi, :D ,, pero very interesting talaga sa akin to,, natutuwa kasi ako sa kapatid ko parang pa easy easy lang siya sa job niya LOL! medyo nahihirapan pa ako e.. :D
hindi pafs. mas mahalaga na naiintindihan mo yung logic. :agree:
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jezz wrote:wow! galing... medyo nag aaral pa lang ako mag program,, sana matuto rin,, ask ko lang sa mga nakakapag program na,, kelangan ba kabisado yung mga codes? sorry for noob question,(wala kasi ako contact sa bro ko)nag uumpisa pa lang.. kaka shift ko pa lang ng course, medyo nahihirapan pa ako e, ibang language kasi, :D ,, pero very interesting talaga sa akin to,, natutuwa kasi ako sa kapatid ko parang pa easy easy lang siya sa job niya LOL! medyo nahihirapan pa ako e.. :D
Sa codes yes, kelangan kabisado mo at least yung core topics ng programming language. Pero with modern programming IDE ngayon like Visual Studio and Net Beans madali na matuto dahil sa mga intelisense at iba pang mga helpful features.

I'm not sure about other programming patterns pero kung OOP (Object Oriented Programming) yung language, basta alam mo yung core syntaxes, maiintindihan mo na yung ibang language (like C#, C++, Java at VB.NET).
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Pwede ba akong matuto nito or magkatrabaho as a programmer kahit hindi ako graduate ng computer related course? Haha.. Gusto ko din kasi matutunan to.. :smiley:
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jezz wrote:wow! galing... medyo nag aaral pa lang ako mag program,, sana matuto rin,, ask ko lang sa mga nakakapag program na,, kelangan ba kabisado yung mga codes? sorry for noob question,(wala kasi ako contact sa bro ko)nag uumpisa pa lang.. kaka shift ko pa lang ng course, medyo nahihirapan pa ako e, ibang language kasi, :D ,, pero very interesting talaga sa akin to,, natutuwa kasi ako sa kapatid ko parang pa easy easy lang siya sa job niya LOL! medyo nahihirapan pa ako e.. :D
kahit hindi mo kabisado yung codes basta yun nga, alam mo yung basics. yung loops, if statement, pang display ng text. samahan mo na lang ng reference guide para sa tamang syntax o format nung command.
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kingplopi wrote:Pwede ba akong matuto nito or magkatrabaho as a programmer kahit hindi ako graduate ng computer related course? Haha.. Gusto ko din kasi matutunan to.. :smiley:
pwede rin siguro pero di ako sure. may kilala ako graphics designer pero management ang course nya. :D
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Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:03 am

Well, graphics design, though related to software development, is very different. But I've known some career shifters from HR, etc. who could do software development now. But many companies still prefer people with background in Computer Science since software development takes more than programming. You'd also need some background on architectures, algorithms, design etc.

But I'm thinking if you don't have a degree in any IT related field, you can build up your portfolio on your own. Get a fairly complex application running; have it published or something; and put it on your resume. Actually that's pretty much what software development companies want, a proof that you can build an application using a certain (set of) technology(ies). And of course that you actually know what you're doing. :p
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kingplopi wrote:Pwede ba akong matuto nito or magkatrabaho as a programmer kahit hindi ako graduate ng computer related course? Haha.. Gusto ko din kasi matutunan to.. :smiley:
mahihirapan ka pafs makipag competition sa professionals. pwede siguro pero makakapasok ka bilang desktop support technician lang. at mahihirapan ka bigyan ng pagkakataon para mahawakan yung projects nila. :agree: mahihirapan ka din mapromote at makakuha ng free trainings or seminars.

pwera na lang kung talented ka talaga at hardworking. :smiley:
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