Amen!Ravencroft_PH wrote:don't get me wrong
It's just that don't feel like being told and believe what i want to. I respect others who believe in Gods, I'm not like those stereotypes that blame shht on religion just because things didn't turned out their way.
seriously, can't we just all live in peace? 
pag wala, well at least you know your options. and yeah, we can always live together in peace. because God loves you no matter what 
you are one of the very rare kind. i respect youRavencroft_PH wrote:don't get me wrong
It's just that don't feel like being told and believe what i want to. I respect others who believe in Gods, I'm not like those stereotypes that blame shht on religion just because things didn't turned out their way.
tama ito.pedroboy wrote:siguro gusto lang nila magshare ng kanilang paniniwala kay God. and I think that is a part of Christianity. to share and spread the gospel. if may ma-convert sa inyo na nonbelievers, di very good
nasasainyo naman yun kung macoconvert kayo o hindi. This is sad indeed. Parang ang nangyari, dahil hindi nangyari yung gusto nila, nabago na belief nila. On the other side din naman, meron yung mga may nangyari na maganda sa kanila, bigla nang naging believer. So I guess it's expected due to human nature. You get promised that you'll never be alone and you believe that promise, you either end up really happy or really disappointed.Ravencroft_PH wrote:It's a shame
when i talk to other atheists , they give me the same reason , like god is not with them whenever he/she needs them.
i forgot how did i go back to believing in Him again, maybe i just saw the "light" unconciously. ganyan din nangyayari sakin. madami ako disappointments sa buhay but i still believed in him. maybe He just wanted us to handle our problems our own way first thats why He gave us free will. dont expect immediate "miracles" to happen, it will happen slowly and unconsciously if you have faith, and i think that is what happening to me right now. yung mga ipinagdarasal ko dati matagal na matagal na mukhang unti unting natutupad ng hindi ko napapansin. for me ganun ang miracle ng Diyos.Ravencroft_PH wrote:It's a shame
when i talk to other atheists , they give me the same reason , like god is not with them whenever he/she needs them.
always look at the bright sides of life. , opinion ko lang, sana di ako naka offend 
siguro nga mas malalaking problema na ang nakaharap mo. sana makabalik ka uli sa kanya i think i will stick to my belief forever because it has positive effects. if i stick to my belief that somebody out there listens to my prayers, it is has positive effects. placebo effect or not it is still positive.xenj wrote:tama ito.pedroboy wrote:siguro gusto lang nila magshare ng kanilang paniniwala kay God. and I think that is a part of Christianity. to share and spread the gospel. if may ma-convert sa inyo na nonbelievers, di very good
None taken broVincH wrote:ganyan din nangyayari sakin. madami ako disappointments sa buhay but i still believed in him. maybe He just wanted us to handle our problems our own way first thats why He gave us free will. dont expect immediate "miracles" to happen, it will happen slowly and unconsciously if you have faith, and i think that is what happening to me right now. yung mga ipinagdarasal ko dati matagal na matagal na mukhang unti unting natutupad ng hindi ko napapansin. for me ganun ang miracle ng Diyos.Ravencroft_PH wrote:It's a shame
when i talk to other atheists , they give me the same reason , like god is not with them whenever he/she needs them.
hindi sa nakikialam ako ng buhay ng may buhay ha
, the only thing is I don't blame anyone or any god for whatever misfortune thats been happening to me, everything happens for a reason I guess?
then pagtungtong ng puberty stage(emo stage
), nagexperiment just ruled out God and started thinking na kapag may mangyaring masama or mabuti sa akin ay dahil sa resulta ng mga desisyon at ginawa ko. ayun mejo gumaan pakiramdam ko still believes in the golden rule and enjoys study sessions regarding good moral character/conscience, etc. pero ewan , sumisikip pakiramdam ko kapag usapang acceptance/recognize of him na magpapabukas daw sya ng 3rd eye ewan ko kung anong rason nya.ganito na lang yan. science believes you cant create someting out of nothing so ask yourelf a series of questions of who created who until you end up asking who created God the creator of all (not just the God in the bible). ngayon kapag tinanong mo kung saan nanggaling ang God the creator of all, mali na ang tanong mo. logical fallacy na yun. kasi kung tatanungin mo kung sino gumawa kay God the creator of all eh di hindi na sya pwedeng tawaging God the creator of all. so for me meron ngang God.
so sa dinami dami ng mythical gods bakit pinili kong maniwala sa Diyos na sinasabi ng bible? eh kasi yung bible lang ang may claims na later lang napatunayang totoo, examples:
Jobs 26:7
He stretched out the north over the empty space, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
-kelan lang ba napatunayan na ang earth ay nakalutang? yan ay nung natuto nang lumabas ang tao sa labas ng earth at kumuha ng photograph nung 19th century.
Jobs 37:7
7He sealeth up the hand of every man; that all men may know his work.
look at your hand bro, may seal yang kamay mo. yan ay ang fingerprints mo proving you are a work of God. kelan lang ba napatunayang scientific proof na ang fingerprints ay pwedeng gamitin to identify a man? very recently lang, nitong early 00s yata. at walang magkakaparehong fingerprints kahit na twins, identical twins, siamese twins, and any kinds of twins. proving you are a unique work of God.
search about lysanius and king sargon, historians doubts the historical authenticity of the bible dahil walang ancient literature na may lysanius and king sargon until may nahukay silang evidences nitong 18th and 19th century lang. recently may nahukay na din house of david inscriptions at dead sea scrolls. proving na totoo ang sinasabi ng bible.
(eto yung mga post ko sa previous pages, balak ko pang dagdagan yun)
totoo na merong mga dinagdag na false stories ang mga scrofulous translators ng bible. yung book of mark hanggang chapter 16:8 lang. meron din maling translation ang king james version sa book of john. hindi talaga maiiwasan yun pero yung main message or purpose ng bible ay nandun pa din, na there is a God and we must obey him and we must not do bad things.
sorry mahaba reply ko. marami pa akong pwedeng idagdag kung gusto mo. at kung gusto mong maging atheist talaga ito na lang isipin mo:
kung tama ang mga atheists na wala talagang Diyos eh di pare-pareho lang tayong mawawala kapag namatay. eh paano naman kung tama kami na may Diyos na parurusahan ang hindi kumilala sa kanya? wag mo ilagay ang kaluluwa mo sa disadvantage. wala namang mawawala sayo kung maniniwala ka or hindi. hindi naman requirement ang pagpunta sa mga simbahan linggo linggo. masaya maging christian.
you may want to edit that.VincH wrote:nag PM sa aking ang isang atheist sa isang site. sinubukan nyang basahin ang bible pero hindi sya talaga naniniwala na totoo ang mga nakasulat doon. tinanong nya ako kung anong rason ko kung bakit pinili kong maniwala sa Diyos na nasa bible, eto sinabi ko, ipaste ko na din dito kasi eto dahilan kung bakit ginusto kong maniwala:
magpapabukas daw sya ng 3rd eye ewan ko kung anong rason nya.ganito na lang yan. science believes you cant create someting out of nothing so ask yourelf a series of questions of who created who until you end up asking who created God the creator of all (not just the God in the bible). ngayon kapag tinanong mo kung saan nanggaling ang God the creator of all, mali na ang tanong mo. logical fallacy na yun. kasi kung tatanungin mo kung sino gumawa kay God the creator of all eh di hindi na sya pwedeng tawaging God the creator of all. so for me meron ngang God.
so sa dinami dami ng mythical gods bakit pinili kong maniwala sa Diyos na sinasabi ng bible? eh kasi yung bible lang ang may claims na later lang napatunayang totoo, examples:
Jobs 26:7
He stretched out the north over the empty space, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
-kelan lang ba napatunayan na ang earth ay nakalutang? yan ay nung natuto nang lumabas ang tao sa labas ng earth at kumuha ng photograph nung 19th century.
Jobs 37:7
7He sealeth up the hand of every man; that all men may know his work.
look at your hand bro, may seal yang kamay mo. yan ay ang fingerprints mo proving you are a work of God. kelan lang ba napatunayang scientific proof na ang fingerprints ay pwedeng gamitin to identify a man? very recently lang, nitong early 00s yata. at walang magkakaparehong fingerprints kahit na twins, identical twins, siamese twins, and any kinds of twins. proving you are a unique work of God.
search about lysanius and king sargon, historians doubts the historical authenticity of the bible dahil walang ancient literature na may lysanius and king sargon until may nahukay silang evidences nitong 18th and 19th century lang. recently may nahukay na din house of david inscriptions at dead sea scrolls. proving na totoo ang sinasabi ng bible.
(eto yung mga post ko sa previous pages, balak ko pang dagdagan yun)
totoo na merong mga dinagdag na false stories ang mga scrofulous translators ng bible. yung book of mark hanggang chapter 16:8 lang. meron din maling translation ang king james version sa book of john. hindi talaga maiiwasan yun pero yung main message or purpose ng bible ay nandun pa din, na there is a God and we must obey him and we must do bad things.
sorry mahaba reply ko. marami pa akong pwedeng idagdag kung gusto mo. at kung gusto mong maging atheist talaga ito na lang isipin mo:
kung tama ang mga atheists na wala talagang Diyos eh di pare-pareho lang tayong mawawala kapag namatay. eh paano naman kung tama kami na may Diyos na parurusahan ang hindi kumilala sa kanya? wag mo ilagay ang kaluluwa mo sa disadvantage. wala namang mawawala sayo kung maniniwala ka or hindi. hindi naman requirement ang pagpunta sa mga simbahan linggo linggo. masaya maging christian.
hindi ko pa nabasa yang mga yan. i add ko yan sa mga to-read list ko.@Vinch... I see you can quote most of the books from the Bible... I'd just like to ask if you have ever read other literature that leans towards Christianity such as Summa Theologiae by St. Thomas Aquinas (or just the quinque viae of it) or The Divine Comedy by Dante Alighieri...
